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Post Posted: 10/11/17 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The most recent Hat Club custom I got is made with imported and feels great. Ditto for every other made with imported poly caps I have.

If I handed you the Pirates on field I picked up at PNC this year, the only way you’d know it was made with imported materials is by looking at the tag. Literally no difference.
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Post Posted: 10/11/17 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bucs007 wrote:
The most recent Hat Club custom I got is made with imported and feels great. Ditto for every other made with imported poly caps I have.

If I handed you the Pirates on field I picked up at PNC this year, the only way you’d know it was made with imported materials is by looking at the tag. Literally no difference.


If you picked up a navy colored hat lately you would notice the difference. Certain colors have different material quality to them
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Post Posted: 10/11/17 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Betters22 wrote:
If you picked up a navy colored hat lately you would notice the difference. Certain colors have different material quality to them

Absolutely but to say that imported materials caps are always crap, as christo has, is wrong. And to target Hat Club's releases and Guru specifically suggests an ulterior motive unless the guy truly is clueless (definitely a possibilty).
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Post Posted: 10/11/17 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Guy Gadbois wrote:
Betters22 wrote:
If you picked up a navy colored hat lately you would notice the difference. Certain colors have different material quality to them

Absolutely but to say that imported materials caps are always crap, as christo has, is wrong. And to target Hat Club's releases and Guru specifically suggests an ulterior motive unless the guy truly is clueless (definitely a possibilty).


Where is the poly from? If it is China then saying the 40.00 caps are made in USA is untrue.
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Post Posted: 10/11/17 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
christo wrote:
Where is the poly from? If it is China then saying the 40.00 caps are made in USA is untrue.

What does that have to do with your assertion that 100% MUSA is always superior? I never made any claim about how 'American' the imported materials caps were, only that it's quite possible to find imported materials caps where you can't tell the difference. The 'imported materials' tag is only a guide when it comes to quality, not a guarantee.
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Post Posted: 10/11/17 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Guy Gadbois wrote:
christo wrote:
Where is the poly from? If it is China then saying the 40.00 caps are made in USA is untrue.

What does that have to do with your assertion that 100% MUSA is always superior? I never made any claim about how 'American' the imported materials caps were, only that it's quite possible to find imported materials caps where you can't tell the difference. The 'imported materials' tag is only a guide when it comes to quality, not a guarantee.


I have personally never seen an imported materials hat that had comparable quality to a MUSA hat
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Post Posted: 10/11/17 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
christo wrote:
Guy Gadbois wrote:
christo wrote:
Where is the poly from? If it is China then saying the 40.00 caps are made in USA is untrue.

What does that have to do with your assertion that 100% MUSA is always superior? I never made any claim about how 'American' the imported materials caps were, only that it's quite possible to find imported materials caps where you can't tell the difference. The 'imported materials' tag is only a guide when it comes to quality, not a guarantee.


I have personally never seen an imported materials hat that had comparable quality to a MUSA hat


I have seen, and felt, many imported materials hats that had comparable quality to a MUSA hat. But the funny thing is they’ve all come from your number one enemy, Hat Club. So since you don’t “waste” your money with them, you wouldn’t have a clue. Just give it up already and move on.
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Post Posted: 10/11/17 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
christo wrote:
I have personally never seen an imported materials hat that had comparable quality to a MUSA hat

Look harder. There are almost always gems among the trash at Lids if you want to hold on to your irrational Hat Club hatred.

Many of the early imported materials caps were exactly like their MUSA counterparts at the time: same poly, same construction. I'm wearing one of those early imported materials caps right now in fact; can't tell the difference at all from 100% MUSA. It's only as time has passed that some colors have had bad runs and the crowns have declined in general.

But even now there are awesome imported material caps being made. There were awful black caps in '16 for example but they're some of the best this year. And if the red Expos custom is any indication, NE is using good red poly again too; they also put great crowns in those. And Hat Club put out some incredible imported materials NW green caps this summer that were more than worth the $40.
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Post Posted: 10/11/17 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Quick question here? Why the hell do people think a tag that says w/ Imported material means a God Damned thing??? I’ll keep it simple. The only freaking tags New Era has now for USA made poly hats manufactured in Derby, NY say made in USA w/ Imported materials regardless of material. Between me, Guru Click and about a hundred more people I know we can show you a thousand premium high grade USA made USA fabric caps with that tag.
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Post Posted: 10/11/17 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
LEROY712 wrote:
Quick question here? Why the hell do people think a tag that says w/ Imported material means a God Damned thing??? I’ll keep it simple. The only freaking tags New Era has now for USA made poly hats manufactured in Derby, NY say made in USA w/ Imported materials regardless of material. Between me, Guru Click and about a hundred more people I know we can show you a thousand premium high grade USA made USA fabric caps with that tag.


i didn't know this. i appreciate the insight. this was all i needed to know. shame for the rest of what went on here past week. apologies to all. keep rocking in the free world.
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Post Posted: 10/11/17 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Post Posted: 10/16/17 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, call me a sucker. But I've signed up to try to get another Cubs retro classic today after noticing Lids was running a 30% off deal, and delivering to the store for free. That means what was a $41 cap is now $27. They screwed me the first time by sending a Cleveland Cavaliers cap, and I vowed never to do business with Lids again. Oh well, short term memory. Remind me of this when this one somehow arrives screwed-up...
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Post Posted: 10/20/17 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sad stuff y'all
I saw the 30% off deal at lids too and went for some that had my size pop back up

Lids shipped me a 7 1/8 Indians instead of a 8. Marlin's order was a 7 3/4 and I received a 7 3/4, which fit really really well. But the color was off. There's a blue hue that throws me off. Not the Marlin's teal I remember wearing growing up.

Both got returned. I now sit 1 out of 8 on retro classic purchases. No regrets dumping the ones that looked bad or fit terrible. Im of the belief that lids used the same blueish teal for both the Marlin's and the Mariners caps, neither of which are correct.


In the spirit of comparisons, here's a '95 on field vs the retro classic.

Just like the all navy blue, wahoo detail elements are a bit bolder and thicker. It's close but we'll see how much longer I can wear my '95 on field for.

To lids credit, they did offer me a replacement cap (free of charge). But I was stubborn. I didn't want to be out the $27 on two products I didn't really want so their offer was for nothing. Now a $10 gift card, I could've used. They've had me keep caps and refund me money, which I would've accepted. But none of that was on the table.

Stay away from lids at all costs. I know it's been jokes about. Buts it's not a joke for me anymore.

I've tried on enough to say these all pretty much fit a size too big. I'm borderline 7 3/4 and the Marlin's fit perfect. A 8 was a bit too loose but generally on fields in 8s are never loose. So if people ppl do still want a retro classic, I would size up one.
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Post Posted: 10/20/17 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Retro Line from is all about getting that guy who wants that retro look but does not care or does not know about the details. Typical fan would not know that the Indians hat is not 100% correct to what they wore in the mid 90's. They see a retro hat with Chief Wahoo made with wool so they throw down $40 without hesitation. The hat heads like us knit pick the details so we know most are all jacked up.
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Post Posted: 10/20/17 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
True. It's also the American Dream, or American Lie out in full force. Many see Made in USA prominently displayed everywhere and assume we have their best interests at hand. That quality is better.

For years, there has been a made in china "custom retro" with the raised larger wahoo head sitting on various fitted hat websites (sometimes going for below $20, but usually $35 is the norm). I own a bunch of them and after breaking them in, they are very hard to tell apart from mid 2000 era wool on fields. I wouldn't even call the retro classics ABOVE and beyond those made in china wool retros. We're paying for "USA made" (which is now seen as a luxury) for lesser quality. Touting US made with really bad inaccuracies appears more detrimental to the vintage wool collectors, than anything they have ever done. But like you said, I don't think the common fan cares. This was a 'success' lol

Final warning for them sadly. I have a half dozen caps left on my checklist that my big head can't find vintage on fields for on ebay. The Marlins teal was one of them. A part of my childhood died today. I do wonder how the fanatics cooperstown marlins teal caps are. I'm done being a guinea pig for lids/Ne
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